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Saat ini, konsep Evolusi telah memengaruhi seluruh dunia. Konsep ini diajarkan hampir di seluruh sekolah dan universitas di seluruh dunia dan memengaruhi ribuan siswa di muka bumi setiap saat. Kehidupan, menurut paradigma ini, merupakan hasil evolusi debu-partikel-kosmis yang tidak hidup (atom dan molekul), dimana paradigma evolusi ini kelihatannya tidak memiliki makna dan tujuan (dari suatu kehidupan). Meski demikian, semua tradisi agama dunia telah menyampaikan makna luhur dan tujuan tertinggi kehidupan. Vedanta sebagai risalat filosofis spiritual tertinggi serta warisan budaya India, memberikan uraian yang jelas tentang kehidupan, asal mula dan maknanya. Dengan mengambil intisari literatur Veda, penulis, Dr. T. D. Singh, mempresentasikan paradigma holistik kehidupan yang baru dengan menggabungkan dimensi spiritual kehidupan dan evolusi kesadaran. Paradigma Vedanta ini memiliki potensi untuk menyelami lebih dalam sifat-sifat kehidupan (the nature of life). DR. T. D. Singh-sang penulis buku ini merupakan gabungan unik antara ilmuwan dan rohaniawan- telah menulis dan mengedit sejumlah buku dalam usaha memahami realita termasuk ‘kehidupan’ dari pendekatan interdisipliner (sains dan agama/spiritualitas.)

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Released as dedication to Srila Sripada

by Jaganmohini dd

All glories to Srila Sripada, All glories to Srila Prabhupada

During the 3^rd Tirobhav celebrations at Sri Radha Kund, a publication titled, “A voyage into Environmental Issues – Scientific, Ethical and Spiritual Perspectives” was released by Institute of Science and Religion, Navi Mumbai for the pleasure of Srila Sripada. This is the second publication from the Institute. One of the instructions we recd. from gurumaharaj was to publish books.

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by  dr. Putu Benny  (Dasan Rangaraja)

om ajnana-timirandhasya jnananjana salakaya
caksur unmilitam yena tasmai sri gurave namah

namah om vishnupadaya krishna-presthaya bhu-tale
srimate bhaktisvarupa damodara svamin iti namine

namah sad-bhakta-manaye manipura-udbhavaya ca
prabhupada lasad-vani pracara niratayate

babhruvahana-vamsadbhi somaya subha drstye
sunyavadi madebhendra singhaya bhagavata namah

abhayadi gunadaya sad-vijnana ghanaya ca
navya vaijnana tamas suryaya te namah

hareh katha-yata-samasta-yamo
romanca-kampasru mudabhiramah
srimad-radha-kunda-vasa-yatnah
pasyema kim tam srimad sripada-padam?

Srila Sripada Maharaja
would spend all eightyamas (divisions of the day)
glorifying topics of Sri Hari,
and thus he would become overwhelmed
by the manifestation of asta-sattvika transformations
headed by hairs standing erect, trembling, and tears of joy.
He would become extremely happy
when he resided in the most beautiful Sri Radha Kunda.
Will I ever again have darsana
of the most beautiful lotus feet of that Srila Sripada Maharaja?

We always pray to Srimati Radhika’s lotus feet by chanting Sri Radha-kripa-kataksa Stavaraja, for Her Divine Glance upon us. But now we have to fully grateful since our prayers have been fulfilled by the auspicious presence of our beloved Om Vishnupad Ashtottara-sata Tridandi-yativara Parampujyapadapadma Paramahamsa Parivrajakacaryavarya Sri Srimad Bhaktisvarupa Damodara Swami Srila Sripada Maharaja in the midst of our lives. He is the crest-jewel of The Lord’s pure devotees (sad-bhakta siromani) descend to this planet out of his causeless mercy, took birth in The Land of Jewel, Manipura, for the welfare of the whole world. Therefore I pay my most respectful obeisance unto him, the nayantara, shining stars of the lotus eyes of Srimati Radha, who is everything for Lord Sri Krishna. Let me bow to him, which is a magnificent eternal intimate associate of Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu and Sri Sri Radha Krishna, and the only friend, shelter, and the life of the fallen souls. All glories to Srila Sripada Maharaja, our Gurudeva, adore eternally in our heart, as the only shelter of all suffering souls, the most graceful, the limitless ocean of love and compassion. All glories unto the very embodiment of wish-fulfilling gem that meet all the desires (cintamani svarupa), the intimate associate of Sri Radhika and Sri Gaura (gaura radhika nija-jana), which is decorated by all glorious spotless nature of a Vaishnava, never take into consideration any discrepancy in other (adosa -darsi), and the best friend of the fallen (dina-bandhu). May he bestow his merciful glance toward us. By greatness of his glorious nature, he was willingly gave atonement for so much sins of a degraded being such as myself, and allowed me to have some opportunity to take part in his eternal glorification. This is my only desire and prayer that I always submit unto his divine lotus feet.

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by Dasan Rangaraja

(1)
ananda-sac-cid-baladeva-murttih
brahmanda-sammandita-suddha-kirttih
samsara-sindhuttaranaika-potah
pasyema kim tam srimad sripada-padam?

His blissful, eternal and cognizant form is the embodiment

of Sri Baladeva, the akhanda-guru-tattva.

His immaculate supra-mundane fame has adorned the universe,

and he is the boat to deliver all living beings from samsara,

the ocean of material existence.

Will I ever again have darsana of the most beautiful lotus feet of that Srila Sripada Maharaja?

Rupa rohaninya yang kekal, mahasadar, dan penuh kebahagiaan, adalah merupakan pengejawantahan dari Sri Baladeva, sang akhanda-guru-tattva. Kemuliaan adiduniawinya yang tiada bernoda menghiasi alam semesta. Beliau adalah perahu yang menyelamatkan semua insan dari samudera samsara. Oh akankah hamba akan memperoleh darsana kedua belah kaki padma Srila Sripada Maharaja yang mahaindah itu lagi?

(2)
pratapta-camikara-gaura-rupah
sad-bhakti-svarupa-vicara-bhupah
parivrajakacarya-paramahamsavaryah
pasyema kim tam srimad sripada-padam?

His form is beautifully fair like molten gold,

he is the monarch of analyzing and discerning the real nature of pure bhakti,

and he is one of the best among highest enlightened personality

and preaching spiritual masters.

Will I ever again have darsana of the most beautiful lotus feet of that Srila Sripada Maharaja?

Rupanya begitu indah secemerlang emas cair, beliau adalah rajanya dalam menganalisa dan menyimpulkan sifat sejati dari pengabdian suci. Beliau adalah salah satu yang terbaik di antara pribadi-pribadi yang memiliki pencerahan sempurna dan para guru yang mengajar berkeliling. Oh akankah hamba akan memperoleh darsana kedua belah kaki padma Srila Sripada Maharaja yang mahaindah itu lagi?

(3)
vaisnava-gosthi-gana-prana-bandhuh
prapanna-duhkhartta-prasada-sindhuh
vitandi-pasandi-dambha-darpa-haranah
pasyema kim tam srimad sripada-padam?

He is the friend who revives the lives of the Lord’s devotees.

He is an ocean of mercy to surrendered souls, who are afflicted by material miseries,

and he is a destroyer of pride and arrogances for the sophists who indulge in unreasonable, irrational arguments – the so-called followers of religion – and for the atheistic scientist.

Will I ever again have darsana of the most beautiful lotus feet of that Srila Sripada Maharaja?

Beliau adalah sahabat yang mengembalikan gelora kehidupan para penyembah Tuhan. Beliau adalah samudera belas kasih bagi para jiva yang menyerahkan diri, yang disiksa oleh duka derita keduniawian, dan beliau adalah penghancur kesombongan dan keangkuhan orang-orang modern yang sibuk hanya dalam memperdebatkan argumen-argumen yang tidak masuk akal, yaitu mereka yang namanya saja umat pengikut suatu agama dan juga para ilmuwan yang tak percaya akan Tuhan. Oh akankah hamba akan memperoleh darsana kedua belah kaki padma Srila Sripada Maharaja yang mahaindah itu lagi?

(4)
sri-radhika-prema-tadaga-hamso
hamsa-vira-prajna-kulavatamsah
sankirttana-prema-madhu-pramattah
pasyema kim tam srimad sripada-padam?

He is a swan swimming in the pond of Srimati Radhika’s prema,

and he is the crest jewel within the dynasties of paramahamsas,

the brave-class ksatriyas and scholars.

He is intoxicated by the sweetness of the prema-nama-sankirtana –

the universal broadcasting of Sri Caitanya’s message of prema.

Will I ever again have darsana of the most beautiful lotus feet of that Srila Sripada Maharaja?

Beliau bagaikan seekor angsa yang berenang-renang dalam telaga cintakasih Srimati Radharani. Beliau adalah permata mutu manikam dalam keluarga besar para paramahamsa, ksatriya yang pemberani, dan para sarjana. Beliau dimabukkan oleh manisnya prema dari nama sankirtana, yaitu penyebarluasan semesta amanat cintakasih Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Oh akankah hamba akan memperoleh darsana kedua belah kaki padma Srila Sripada Maharaja yang mahaindah itu lagi?

(5)
candala-sudradhama-bhakti-samdah
sarvvam sahavandya-padaravindah
premabdhi-candro bhajana-dru-kandah
pasyema kim tam srimad sripada-padam?

He offered the auspicious blessing of bhakti to those who took lower births,

such as sudras and candalas, and his lotus feet are worshipable for the whole world. Appearing like the moon he made the ocean of prema swell,

and indeed, he is the root of the tree of our bhajana.

Will I ever again have darsana of the most beautiful lotus feet of that Srila Sripada Maharaja?

Beliau menganugerahkan berkat bhakti yang mahasuci kepada mereka yang berkelahiran rendah seperti sudra dan candala, dan kaki padmanya layak dipuja oleh seluruh dunia. Terbit bagaikan rembulan, beliau membuat air samudera prema menjadi pasang, dan sesungguhnyalah beliau merupakan akar dari bhajana kita.

(6)
gauranga-govinda-varenya-bhakto
visuddha-sad-dharma-pracara-raktah
radha-yaso-gana-sahasra-vaktrah
pasyema kim tam srimad sripada-padam?

He is the most exalted nitya-siddha associate of Sri Gauranga and Sri Govinda,

and he is always deeply attached to the preaching of pure vaisnava-dharma

that is free from the coverings of jnana and karma.

As if he possessed a thousand mouths he would speak the glories of Sri Radhika.

Will I ever again have darsana of the most beautiful lotus feet of that Srila Sripada Maharaja?

Beliau adalah rekan nitya-siddha Sri Gauranga dan Sri Govinda yang termulia, beliau senantiasa khusuk dalam mewejangkan vaisnava-dharma yang murni, bebas sepenuhnya dari selubung jnana dan karma. Tampaknya bila saja beliau memiliki ribuan mulut, beliau akan menggunakannya hanya untuk membicarakan kemuliaan Sri Radhika. Oh akankah hamba akan memperoleh darsana kedua belah kaki padma Srila Sripada Maharaja yang mahaindah itu lagi?

(7)
veda-vedanta-nava-vaijnana-dakso
vikhandita-prajna-kutarka-laksah
santa-prasantoparatatma-nisthah
pasyema kim tam srimad sripada-padam?

He is fully expert in all Veda-sastras, Vedanta, and also modern scientific knowledge.

With his divine wisdom he would easily smash the multitude of faulty conclusions

presented by deluded logicians and mundane scholars.

He is calm and equitable, self-satisfied,

detached from sense pleasure and fixed in his service to Sri Sri Radha-Govinda.

Will I ever again have darsana of the most beautiful lotus feet of that Srila Sripada Maharaja?

Beliau ahli dalam Veda-sastra, Vedanta, dan juga ilmu pengetahuan masa kini. Dengan kebijaksanaan rohaninya beliau dengan mudah dapat menghantam kesimpulan-kesimpulan salah yang dihadirkan oleh para pemikir yang berkhayal dan para sarjana duniawi. Beliau senantiasa tenang, damai, dan berpuas hati, terlepas dari segala kenikmatan duniawi dan teguh dalam pelayanannya kepada Sri Sri Radha Govinda. Oh akankah hamba akan memperoleh darsana kedua belah kaki padma Srila Sripada Maharaja yang mahaindah itu lagi?

(8)
hareh katha-yata-samasta-yamo
romanca-kampasru mudabhiramah
srimad-radha-kunda-vasa-yatnah
pasyema kim tam srimad sripada-padam?

He would spend all eight yamas (divisions of the day) glorifying topics of Sri Hari,

and thus he would become overwhelmed by the manifestation of asta-sattvika transformations headed by hairs standing erect, trembling, and tears of joy.

He would become extremely happy

when he resided in the most beautiful Sri Radha Kunda.

Will I ever again have darsana of the most beautiful lotus feet of that Srila Sripada Maharaja?

Beliau menghabiskan kedelapan yama dalam memuliakan Sri Hari, dengan demikian beliau luruh dalam bentuk-bentuk perubahan asta-sattvika terutama roma merinding, gemetaran, dan mencucurkan airmata sukacita. Beliau begitu bahagia ketika bersemayam di Sri Radha Kunda yang mahaindah. Oh akankah hamba akan memperoleh darsana kedua belah kaki padma Srila Sripada Maharaja yang mahaindah itu lagi?

(9)
ha kvasi mat-prana-prabho kva gupto
ati dina-dasas tava duhkha-taptah
prapanna-bhaktartti-haras tvam eva
draksyami kim candra-mukham sakrt te?

O master of my life, where are you? Where have you suddenly hidden?

Your most fallen servant is afflicted by pangs of separation from you.

Only you can remove the sufferings of your surrendered devotees.

Will I ever be able to look upon your moonlike face again?

Tuan bagi hidupku di manakah Engkau? Ke manakah engkau tiba-tiba bersembunyi? Hambamu yang paling hina ini tersiksa oleh derita perpisahan dengan dirimu. Hanya engkau saja yang dapat menyingkirkan penderitaan para hambamu yang menyerahkan diri ini. Akankah hamba dapat melihat wajahmu yang bagaikan rembulan itu lagi?

(10)
he dina-bandho! karunaika-sindho!
kuru prasadam mayi manda-mudhe
laksaparadhe bahu-papa-gadhe
tat-pada-padme ’stu matis ca krsne

O friend of the lowly, O Gurudeva, you are the vast ocean of mercy.

I am a dull fool and have committed hundreds of thousands of offenses.

I have fallen into a dense myriad of sins; therefore grace me with your mercy

so that my mind may be fixed on your lotus feet and on Sri Krishna.

Wahai sahabat bagi mereka yang hina, oh Gurudeva, engkau adalah samudera belas kasih yang mahaluas. Hamba hanyalah seorang yang bodoh dungu dan telah melakukan ratusan ribu kesalahan. Hamba telah terjatuh dalam kelamnya dosa-dosa. Karena itu berkatilah hamba ini dengan karuniamu, agar pikiran hamba dapat senantiasa terpusat hanya pada kaki padmamu dan Tuhan Yang Maha Esa Sri Krishna.

sri-bhakti-svarupa-damodaraya pujitam sarvam

rangaraja-dasa-kulena ati-vilapatmika-dasakam

viraha-soka-samudram sloka-candra-avirbhavam

srimad sripadad carana-kamala-dvandvarpanam

These all glorifying words in ten extremely sorrowful moonlike stanzas arises from the miserable ocean of separation, was spoken (as based on beautiful prayer called Prabhupada Viraha Dasakam) by a member of Rangarajadasakulan, family lineage of servants of The Lord of Enchanting Stage, King of Palatial Aranga-mandiram, dedicated unto His Divine Grace Parampujyapadapadma Om Vishnupad Ashtottara-sata Paramahamsa Parivrajakacaryavarya Sri Srimad Bhaktisvarupa Damodara Svami Srila Sripada Maharaja, as a humble offering to His Two Lotus like Divine Feet.

Segala kata-kata pujian ini yang tersusun atas sepuluh bait syair mengharukan, terbit dari samudera derita kerinduan yang tak tertahankan, digubah oleh seorang hamba yang begitu rendah dan hina yang terlahir dalam keluarga para hamba pelayan Tuhan Atas Panggung Yang Mempesona, Sang Raja yang bertahta di istana Aranga-mandiram (Sri Ranganatha), diperuntukkan hanyalah bagi Yang Mahaberkarunia Parampujyapadapadma Om Vishnupad Paramahamsa Parivrajakacaryavarya Sri Srimad Bhaktisvarupa Damodara Svami Srila Sripada Maharaja, sebagai sebuah persembahan yang remeh, ke hadapan kedua belah kaki sucinya yang bagaikan kembang seroja.

virahaaksepa satata-vilapam

para-dina-hina-dasanudasam

sri guru-vaishnava karunya-bhiksum

(the lowest servant of servants,

who always crying and lamenting in separation,

a beggar of Sri Gurudeva and all Vaishnavas mercy)
Dasan B.P.B. Rangarajan

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An interview recorded in Singapore on 7 January 1995

Devotee: This initiation was conducted with full fire sacrifice?

Srila Sripada: Yeah so we went upstairs and Ramananda introduced me to Prabhupada saying that I am such and such, come from Manipur, and I’m a student at the university, doing my PhD. in chemistry. When Prabhupada heard that I am from Manipur, then he started saying about the temples in Navadvipa by the kings of Manipur, Vrndavana, Jagannatha Puri, Radha Kunda, that are established by the kings of Manipur, and he started saying about BabHruvahana. Babhruvahana was the son of Arjuna. When Arjuna came to Manipur, he  married Citrangada, the Princess of Manipur. He said that Manipur had been a Vaisnava kingdom for thousands of years – more than 5000 years ago when the Pandavas ruled the planet, the Vaisnavas existed. He said that all Manipuris are descendents of Babhruvahana. Prabhupada knew about the temples in Navadvipa built by the Kings of Manipur. In the process of talking with Prabhupada, who was asking about my background, my family, who my parents were, devotees, he said, “why did you come here to the United States? A Vaisnava,” Prabhupada was humorously saying “A Vaisnava generally is not supposed to cross the ocean. Why did you come here?”

(Interruption).

So to wind my narration, I came up to, yeah, Prabhupada asked me, told me that that all the people in Manipur are descendants from Babhruvahana.

Devotee: How do you spell that name – Arjuna’s son?

Srila Sripada: B.a.b.h.r.u.v.a.h.a.n.a. It is there in the Srimad Bhagavatam in the 9^th canto, see the index for “Manipur”. There are about two slokas. Prabhupada also writes about Manipur in the Srimad Bhagavatam, in the 9^th canto.

Devotee: 9^th canto, Manipur. Srimad Bhagavatam?

Srila Sripada: Yes. In two slokas, Prabhupada explained about Manipur and also about Babhruvahana. What happened is that Arjuna came to Manipur…must be Mahabharat time…during the Asvamedha Yajna being performed by Yudhistira Maharaja. Arjuna was going that side, and when he reached Manipur, and the King of Manipur at that time he did not have any sons, but he had a daughter, this princess, that Citranganda. So the King of Manipur, since he was old, he could not combat with or challenge Arjuna. So he tried to surrender to Arjuna. But his daughter, Citrangada, wanted to fight with Arjuna (laughter). She wanted to challenge, she wanted to challenge. So Arjuna got very inspired. So somehow he got married to Citrangada (laughter). So this Babhruvahana was born between Citrangada and Arjuna. Prabhupada wrote in the Bhagavatam that when he was 15 or 16 years old, he became the King of Manipur. And later on when Arjuna again visited (Manipur), there was a challenge between his son Babhruvahana and Arjuna. When Babhruvahana was told that Arjuna was his father, he didn’t want to fight—didn’t want to challenge. Then Arjuna told him, “If you are the King of the country, and a ksatriya, .whether it’s your father or a relatve, if you don’t respond to the challenge of the other person, then you are not worth it.” So then Babhruvahana decided to fight. In fact Arjuna was defeated by his son in Manipur. He became unconscious. So Krishna had to come and revive Arjuna again…so that is Mahabharata. [inaudible] chapter. That’s how Babhruvahana became very famous. So Prabhupada was narrating that story from Mahabharat.

In the process of discussion he said all the Indian young scholars and students are coming to the United States for either begging money, dollars, or begging science and technology. Prabhupada was saying like that. “So you are all coming like that,” Prabhupada said, “But I did not come like that. I came here to give something. I came here to give, not to take. Why don’t you give something? Why are you simply taking? Why don’t you give something?” (laughter). This was his conclusion. Prabhupada was saying that we should give something. Why should we take? Just give something or do something like that, Prabhupada said…like preaching. And so I got very inspired by that…(Interruption). So basically that’s how I met Prabhupada.

Devotee: And he asked you to come?

Srila Sripada: Since then I had been going almost every day. Whenever Prabhupada comes, I used to go to Los Angeles. It was almost one hour’s drive.

Devotee: That was the time when the morning talks started? And…

Srila Sripada: Yes. That was in ’69, ’70. The talks were mostly, let’s see, around ’72, ’73.

Devotee: After initiation?

Srila Sripada: Yes, yes. Whenever I used to go, Prabhupada would always want to talk about something about different aspects of science.

Devotee: So when did you get your initiation? Which year was it that you got initiated by Prabhupada?

Srila Sripada: I got formal initiation in ’71. And I was just about to be initiated within one week after (first) meeting Prabhupada. But then Prabhupada was leaving for India and he gave me this mala, and he said it was as good as initiation…because that was a rush period, with Prabhupada’s plans for India. 1970, he came back. You see that year, 1969, yes 1970 there was a ratha yatra in San Francisco, and for the Ratha Yatra, Prabhupada invited me and Ramananda to come and participate in the festival in San Francisco. So we went. We were with Prabhupada in the ratha yatra in 1970 in San Francisco. Oh yes, after the ratha yatra, Prabhupada left for India. I was supposed to be initiated at that time. Then when he came back the next year, 1971, I think it was ’71, that’s correct, a proper initiation was done in Los Angeles temple. Whenever Prabhupada came to LA, I used to work in the university, trying to finish my Ph.D. and one time I told Prabhupada that this Ph.D. is taking too much time for me, and I should stop. But Prabhupada said, “No, no. you should finish it, and use that for preaching.”

~The End~

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An interview recorded in Singapore on 7 January 1995

(Sent by Rupachandra das of Singapore)

Srila Sripada: ..try to use one’s intelligence properly. That’s the meaning of understanding one’s guna, karma and application. Its not only understanding one’s guna karma but how to apply that guna karma in Bhagavat seva, Krishna consciousness. Prabhupada used to quote that very nice sloka in the Bhagavatam:

idaḿ hi puḿsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā

sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ

avicyuto ‘rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito

yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam¹

There was a narration by Narada Muni to Vyasadev. Vyasadev was feeling very unhappy inspite of his tremendous scholarly work, compiling all the Vedic literatures.  In that connection, Narada Muni was replying  to Vyasadev that the reason for his unhappiness in spite of so much achievement, scholarly work, compiling the Vedic literatures was that he hasn’t specifically glorified the pastimes of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krishna. So in that connection it is mentioned in the sloka, first canto. So every piece of ability that a person has, unless that ability is specifically utilized in glorifying or in seva, Bhagavata seva, promoting and glorifying the activities and pastimes of the Supreme Lord one cannot be happy. But when it is utilized properly in the service of the Lord, then it becomes glorifications, uttama sloka. uttma sloka gunanuvarnanam. When we use the choicest words to praise the Lord and His activities, then the intelligence, the ability and the service one is performing, that becomes properly engaged. So that way one will be happy.

That was the instruction given by Narada Muni to Vyasadev. Our Prabhupada quoted this verse many times, idam hi pumsas tapasash. When he saw any scholarly person who came to see him he used to say that you have to, if you are scientist, you have to prove about the existence of God by your scientific knowledge. If you are a lawyer, you have to show by your legal intelligence that Krishna is the Supreme lawyer. If you are businessman you have to show that Krishna is Lakshmipati so that whatever results are coming, you use in the service of the Lord. So you see, all aspects we have to show that Krishna is the supreme proprietor and by serving Him, by engaging all our senses and intelligence a person will be able to develop proper understanding of the [inaudible].

Prabhupada used to say like that especially when meeting scholarly group of people. You do not have to sacrifice anything. Sometimes people will wonder, suppose if I became a devotee, whether I should be able to continue my work and you know get in anxiety. Or whether I could go and stay in the temple or whether I (should) get my head shaved and some temporary anxiety comes in. If it is understood properly that the function of Krishna consciousness, is that we have to learn how to apply our ability and intelligence and [inaudible] work in the service of the Lord. So in that sense, everything has to be engaged in the service of the Lord. With the proper understanding we’ll be able to apply it properly then it becomes Bhagavata Seva. Otherwise it becomes sense gratification. If one is just trying to satisfy one’s senses, that’s a different thing. If the senses are engaged in the service of the Lord and all the activities that one is performing is engaged in how to please the Lord and His servants, then it becomes properly [inaudible].

So therefore one has to be able to see the broader, the wider perspective of Krishna consciousness. It is required especially in preaching to the scholars and scientists – this is a technique that can be applied. We cannot say immediately you have to shave off your head and you have to do such things immediately. That comes you know, slowly, slowly, certain places according to the nature of that person one will be able to give Krishna consciousness in doses. Maybe at the beginning small dose, then it becomes bigger dose, then later on full dose (laughter). So if it is done like that you’ll find that you can preach to everyone. Even the most uneducated [inaudible] people, let say so called [inaudible] people, all sections of society. So if we, by our preaching skill give some message of Krishna consciousness according to time and place, according to time and circumstances, and according to also the quality of the other person, his ability to take up some Krishna consciousness…[Inaudible]. This is the technique that we try to apply by Prabhupada’s mercy.

Devotee: When you first came to Krishna consciousness you met Prabhupada first or were you already a Vaishnava in your family in your young days?

Srila Sripada: Yes. My parents were already devotees of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Just like the king of Manipur is a devotee of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, so all the subjects, for generations were all in the Gaudiya Vaisnava line…my parents and their parents before. My father was a sankirtana singer.

Devotee: So that’s where you got your singing talents from (laughter).

Srila Sripada: When I met Prabhupada – that was in 1969. That was the period. Actually I met (Prabhupada) through one of my friends. My friend was also doing his work; he was also a scientist, a chemist.

Devotee: You had already obtained your Ph.D. then?

Srila Sripada: No, I was in the middle of my Ph.D. I haven’t finished my Ph.D. yet. I was just starting. I started taking some course. But my friend was already a Ph.D. He was a professor at (inaudible) University – a doctor of Chemistry- Ravindra Rao, and he was working on cancer – making medicine for cancer – and he was there. And it  so happened that I was at the university. Oh, the university mentioned as University of Southern California – actually it is called University of California, Irvine. The university in Southern California is a different university.

Devotee : So it should be University of California?

Srila Sripada: Yes, University of California, Irvine; Irvine is the name of the place. The name is correct, but the ‘USC’ should be ‘U Cal’- University of California. California has about 19 campuses. It is very interesting how I met Prabhupada. It so happened that I got a message when I was at the University. A telegram came saying that my mother had expired in India. So I got a little…I got some separation…and I was not feeling very enthusiastic about life, temporarily, momentarily. So because that summer I wanted to go to India and see the family members, like that.

Devotee: You knew she was not well?

Srila Sripada: I didn’t have that knowledge also. They did not send me that message. And so when the message came that she left her body, I was not very enthusiastic about my activities for some time. And I was planning to go to India to do the sraddha ceremony. Like that.

Devotee: You are the eldest?

Srila Sripada: Yeah, in fact I am the only son. And then I got a letter from one of my uncles saying that a – the letter says like this- that a Vaisnava is never lamenting about the living being leaving the body, and a Vaisnava is always thinking that when somebody leaves, then that is kind of arranged by the mercy of the Lord.  “So you should not come. You should not come just for that matter. You should finish your PhD as soon as possible and concentrate on your work. Don’t worry about the death.”  So I had already arranged for the ticket by borrowing some money from the university, because as a student, I had no money. The University loaned me some money for my round trip to India and back. And when I got that letter, I cancelled my trip. So I didn’t go.  In the process of doing that, I met this, Dr. Rao,  Ravindra Rao. He was brought by one of my friends, he’s also from Kerala. There was one doctor [inaudible name]  who was also doing his Ph.D. in the same department, chemistry department. He was from Kerala. There were only about two-three Indian students in that science department. So then he, this Dr. Ravindra Rao came one day and he said, “Lets go for a drive along the beach”. Laguna Beach is not very far. It is only about 15 minutes drive along the coast highway, you know, the Pacific Ocean, California.  He had a car. I didn’t have any car at that time. So I said “Let’s go”. So in the process, in the evening, we saw some devotees walking on the street chanting Harinama. About five-six of them. One was a black devotee. We were seeing for the first time in America, like that, especially in California. It was in the end of 1969. So this friend of mine, Dr. Ravindra Rao, was very enthusiastic. He said, “Let us see what these people are doing.” So we didn’t want to be very close to them, but we were following from a distance (inaudible). Then one devotee saw that we were following them.

Devotee: You were following in the car?

Srila Sripada: No, no. We had parked the car and we were walking slowly.

Devotee: Long distance…

Srila Sripada:  But making sure we didn’t lose them. We wanted to know what they were doing (laughter). So one black devotee, his name is actually Sukadev. He’s still there in Seattle, Los Angeles. So he stopped by and he was kind of waiting for us, to talk to us. So then he stopped and gave us cards and said they had a temple in Laguna Beach, and every Sunday they have this Love Feast, chanting and feasting with nice prasadam, taste, like that. So he said we should come the following Sunday to the temple and participate in the program. So when that Sunday came, this Dr. Rao said, “Let’s go and see the temple and see what they are doing.”  But I told Dr. Rao, “You see, I’m busy. I’m doing my PhD, and I really do not have the time.  So you go and let me know how or what you think about that.” So I didn’t go with him, I let him go alone. We were not staying together. I was staying at the university campus, and he was staying in an apartment.

So then he came, saying that it was a very nice program, lot of people came, they were chanting, and then (they) served nice halva (laughs). He was very enthusiastic, saying it was a nice program. Then he said that I should go. I should accompany him the following day, after work, in the evening, say at about 5 o’clock, and drive and go to the temple. So he started going every day, every evening, after the work. He was working nearby, at the Cancer Institute and I was in the university, and so every day he would say I should come  with him, and everyday I told him that I am not ready and I don’t have the time, and so I can’t go this time. So everytime  I could not accept his proposals. So, like that about four- five days passed by.

Then he asked where is Guru Maharaja from the devotees there in Laguna Beach, and he found out from them that their Guru Maharaja, Prabhupada was in LA, Los Angeles, where he was staying at that time. So he got the address for Los Angeles, Watseka and with that he came with the proposal: “Let us go and see Swami Maharaja. Let’s go and see Swamiji. He is in LA.” He was all set and he proposed that I should accompany him. Then I told him that, “I’m very busy, Dr. Rao, and not free. You go first and let us know how Swamiji looks like and what does he do.” Like that. So he kept quiet just like that (laughs). I let him go alone. So he went one day, actually in the evening, and then he came back and told me how he met Prabhupada.

He said when he went to the temple, the devotees didn’t allow him to see Prabhupada because he was a stranger and nobody knew him. So he told me in the beginning he was very upset when the devotees did not allow him to see Prabhupada. So he said he just decided to pray to Krishna that something happens. So was he was parking his car just infront of the temple and he was just sitting in the car, sitting and praying to Krishna  (laughs), so he can see Prabhupada. When he was sitting for a little while, one devotee came and he said “Prabhupada wants to see you” (laughter). So he was very happy and he went upstairs – you know Prabhupada stays in the first floor inside the temple. So Prabhupada told him that “in the past few years, I have always been praying to Krishna to kindly send me one Indian boy who can do the translation in Hindi. So I was praying to Krishna so He can send me some Indian boys because the American devotees did not know Hindi and other things.” Alot of letters came from India in Hindi, and required to be replied in Hindi but Prabhupada did not have the time to do that. “So I have been praying to Krishna to send me some nice Indian boys to help me.” So then Prabhupada told him that “You were just sent by Krishna.” (laughter). So this is how he narrated it to me. He added that Swamiji was wonderful and very nice and compassionate, with all the good qualities.

So he came with this story to me and he said the next day I should accompany him and see Swami Maharaj, Guru Maharaj. So I told him that “I’m not so prepared for these things and I’ve got all these assignments and projects. I’ve got to help the students…and I’ll be very busy, and so I can’t go at this time.” So that also I avoided, so I did not go. But then, he was going everyday for about five- six days, going alone. Everyday he will come back and give me a report, and everyday he will insist that I must come and see Prabhupada. Everyday I rejected saying I’m very busy…and all these things. But one day, one evening, he came with a very strong proposal, saying that the following morning, early morning, I should accompany him. He said we should get up at 3.30 in the morning, and after a shower, we can then go to the service, to see Swami Maharaja. And he said that if I did not agree this time, then he would never see me again in life and he will never come, and our friendship is finished (laughter). He would never see me in my life! (Laughs). He was saying it with seriousness…not joking or anything like that. Then I told him, “Why you make things so serious? What has happened with you?” He didn’t tell me what was going to happen, but he was telling me like that. Then I said  “Well, if you are really that serious, I will accompany you the following morning,”  (laughs). Then he said he’d like to stay in my apartment because we had to get up early in the morning, and he had the car, and he would drive. It was about one-hour-drive from our place to Los Angeles temple on the highway. So we got up early in the morning, took bath, then we were on the road- highway. In the car he told me that he would be initiated that morning from Prabhupada . He was going to take initiation.

Devotee: That morning?

Srila Sripada: Yes but he did not tell me that before (laughs). He was only telling me on the road. He was already prepared, but he did not tell me that. It was only about a week (since he met Prabhupada)..in a week’s time. I said, because I knew alittle bit about the background,  said, “Will you shave your head this morning?” I asked him.  (Because) he was working at this American Research Institute where there were lots of people, and I asked him, “Will you go like that to your office with your shaven head? (laughs)….This is in America.” He said, “Why not? It would be a pleasure, ” (laughs). He was very determined, and I said, “Will you also change your clothes and dress in saffron?”, because, at that time everybody was dressed in saffron.

Devotee: Immediately after initiation?

Srila Sripada: Yes, at the beginning stages. He said, “why not? It should be something that I like to do.” So he was kind of very enthusiastic. And I admired him because he was so enthusiastic, so determined, and he did not care for anything else.

So we reached Los Angeles, and we saw Prabhupada was coming out for the morning walk at 6 o’clock. He walks 6 to 7 in the morning. At the time when I saw, he had a car, a Maverick- a white-bodied Maverick. So we waited, when he comes back in one hour. And at the time of Prabhupada’s returning to the temple in those days, the devotees would line up on both sides and Prabhupada would get down to the roadside and then walk. And then, the exchange of flowers: Prabhupada give one flower, then the devotees would give him one flower, then Prabhupada would give flowers to the devotees. After finishing that, this is before entering the temple, just infront of the temple, everybody rushes into the temple. I was just observing that. I had the camera, taking some pictures. I had a regular [inaudible word].

Then everyone went in the temple and Prabhupada was having darshana of the deities and went to his vyasasana and Prabhupada started singing “Jay Sri Krishna Caitanya, Prabhu Nityananda..” and I heard for the first time. Prabhupada was singing. I was quite far, near the deities, and Prabhupada was on the opposite side. I felt that Prabhupada was in a devotional mood, and his voice was very sweet and inspiring, and it penetrates to your heart. I was very impressed just by his singing alone, without knowing much. So I felt very happy and comfortable. After that, the ceremony, initiation started.  Dr. Rao, Ravindra Rao, he was given “Ramananda Raya”- his name was given. The initiation was for one or two people only. It was specially done for Dr. Rao. And after that, Prabhupada went to his room…inside there is a small doorway. Then Ramananda said, “Lets go and see Prabhupada upstairs,” (laughs). And I became very enthusiastic (laughter) after this incident. He was very fond of having darsana of Prabhupada.

To be continued in Part 2.

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19 Sep 1972, Los Angeles

SP: Therefore they are suffering only for the matter of knowing something, kevala krishanti.kevala [indistinct word]. Krishanti means taking trouble unnecessarily.  What do you gain by this knowledge? You cannot solve your problems.

BSDS: That is why the brains of the scientists are very busy in thinking all these things, how to try to understand this natural phenomena, all the time busy.

SP: Therefore Bhagavat says, idaḿ hi puḿsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā[i] . Your education, brain should be uitlised how to know God. Not that how the chemical is deposited, you see.  avicyuto ‘rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito, yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam. Rather try to describe how Krsna, God, has made this arrangement. Then it will be kirtana. Simply add this verse that God has deposited this way, this way. That will be described in the Bhagavatam, one after another how creation is being made. But the original point is creator is God. How God is creating, if we describe scientifically, that means it is  kirtana, chanting the glories of the Lord. That they will not do…they’ll end.. “perhaps, maybe” that’s all. “Perhaps, maybe” that’s all. At least Einstein at last he admitted “maybe there is God” like that?

BSDS: Yes. He believes that the natural laws are governed by controllers, different controllers

SP: Oh he believes?

BSDS: Einstein believes. Like  Einstein’s- one of his -  like Fermi or Dirac-  there exists a very famous scientist, almost contemporary and he did not believe in the existence of God. When Einstein developed his theory of relativity, Heisenberg and  Fermi, and Max Planck in Germany. So they invited Einstein and so  Einstein was thinking that these laws are controlled by some unknown controller. He did not know but so Fermi and this Heisenberg -..

SP: Bhagavat avigyatha Everything is there ….‘avigyatha friend.’ I’ve got a friend but I do not know he’s helping behind. Avigyatha.

BSDS: Actually, we encounter everyday the existence of the supreme brain. Just for example, in the chemical laboratory, we make different crystals like different salts and they have very definite and complete organized crystalline structures, different from each type of crystal and these are made just automatically. No one – just mix some things, and then the crystal grows with a definite geometrical shape, beautiful arrangements all the crystals.

SP: What is that crystals?

BSDS: So for example, salts of chromium, magnesium and nickel, these they combine with different anionic radicals, and then, just keep together for a few days.

SP: Crystals…

BSDS: Yes, these are called crystals. Like quartz – quartz is a crystal. In a diamond for example. These are called crystals in chemical terms.

Devotee: Also snowflakes…

BSDS: Yes, snow also…

Devotee: Snowflakes, water…

BSDS: Yes, the water is a definite shaped crystal, it cannot be changed. It always remains the definite crystal structure.

SP: They are called molecules?

BSDS: Yes, these are  called molecules. They call the molecular framework. These are arranged by – it’s a beautiful, beautiful arrangement. Like for example, sodium chloride has hexagonal shape, and geometrical, and beautiful arrangement in the crystal structure. They’re studying by a technique called x-ray crystallography.   So they make a small crystal and put under the x-ray beam and then X-ray beam is photographed, and from the photograph, we can see where the

sodium atom is staying in the space and chlorine is staying in the space and they have a beautiful picture in the film.  From there, you can understand the arrangement of the atoms.

SP: And we understand within the atom there is God.  aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham[ii]

Devotee: The snow…

BSDS: Yes.

Devotee: When the snow falls each flake of snow is perfectly symmetrical. Different patterns and each pattern is different from every other pattern.

BSDS: Yes, for example, this coal tar, these are different arrangements of  so called molecules of benzene. These molecules are hexagonal, the six sides are completely all the same, symmetrical. What happens is, one after another, there are different layers of this six faced hexagonal molecules and so they combine together and form this coal tar. The same thing with diamond also.  The structure is very similar with coal tar.  But only the – layers are different…

SP:  [indistinct verse]

BSDS: These are all arranged by most powerful brain.

SP: As soon as you accept brain, He must be a person.

BSDS: Yes.

SP: So God is a person. (pause) God cannot be impersonal (pause). By this scientific explanation, come to the conclusion, “God is a person”.  And we accept Him as supreme, paramah…Ishvarah paramah krsna, supreme brain. Acintya medha, inconceivable brain. These are.descriptions. Jiva Goswami has said that unless you accept God having inconceivable brain, He cannot be God. (pause) Small teeny seed, there is a big banyan tree, whole potency is there [indistinct words]. Similarly the whole universe is also put in a small atomic grain, that is coming out from Vishnu’s body and they are developing this.

Devotee: Sometimes in the ancient Egyptian graves, they find grains. When they plant those grains, they again grow even after they’ve been in the graves 2000 years, dormant.

SP: seed is [indistinct]  Bijam mam sarva-bhutanam. What is the time?

Devotee: Seven o’clock.

SP: If we present scientifically about the existence of God, that will be a great service. Think over discuss, here’s a scientist and try to write articles. (pause) He’s not protesting, he’s supporting us, so this is a great chance.

Devotee: Last night I was listening to that tape made with that Indian scientist in your room. Such a rascal. His argument was so easily defeated. It all came down to he doesn’t believe and we believe. He doesn’t believe in Krishna and we believe in Krishna. That’s the ultimate conclusion.

BSDS:  His arguments were self defeating.

SP: eh?

BSDS: Self defeating. He says something and say again opposes .

SP: Self-contradictory.

Devotee: He had to admit that that there was some kind of intelligence behind [indistinct word]’

SP: (laughs) Then why not God?

Devotee: He makes a contradiction.

SP: Intelligence means person. Brain means person.

Devotee: He has to admit God. We asked him If  he thought everything just happened by chance, or random, he said  ‘ no, there’s some kind of plan, some kind of intelligence,  order.’ Then later on we asked him if the universe was perfect- if the complete the universe was perfect., He said ‘no’ –  contradiction.

SP: He said universe is not perfect?

Devotee: Yeah. That’s what we scientists work for – to make it perfect.

SP:  Yes.

(sound of car starting)

SP: Our knowledge is perfect because it is coming from Krishna.  The Supreme perfect. (pause)

What is this boat, shipping?

Devotee: Fishing.

(SP chanting Hare Krishna)

SP: [indistinct sloka] The greatest scientist is the Krsna conscious person.

BSDS: In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says to Arjuna ,17^th Chapter, up to 17^th chapter,  surrender unto Krishna and then in the end, in the 18^th Chapter, Krsna says, I’ve given you the full knowledge, now it is up to you to whether to accept or not to accept, so that all shows how merciful is Krishna..

SP: He has  given us full freedom.  Full freedom we cannot enjoy, that is not possible , but as far as the question of our constitution is concerned, there is  freedom. Just like the parents give the child freedom, that is not full freedom  but he does not feel.

Devotee: (while driving) Ooh, man almost got hit. Not very attentive (laughter).

SP: (chants for a while) The devotee of the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu , what to speak of the scientists, even great demigods like Brahma, Indra ,they are also considered [indistinct words].

(chants)

SP: I think there’s a little garden in front of our house?

Devotee: small but..

SP: They are taking care?

Devotee: They started but its being neglected for now.

SP: They should take care.

(End)

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[i] idaḿ hi puḿsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā

sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ

avicyuto ‘rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito

yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam.

Learned circles have positively concluded that the infallible purpose of the advancement of knowledge, namely austerities, study of the Vedas, sacrifice, chanting of hymns and charity, culminates in the transcendental descriptions of the Lord, who is defined in choice poetry (SB 1.5.22)

[ii] eko ‘py asau racayituḿ jagad-aṇḍa-koṭiḿ

yac-chaktir asti jagad-aṇḍa-cayā yad-antaḥ

aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham-

govindam ādi-puruṣaḿ tam ahaḿ bhajāmi

He is an undifferentiated entity as there is no distinction between potency and the possessor thereof. In His work of creation of millions of worlds, His potency remains inseparable. All the universes exist in Him and He is present in His fullness in every one of the atoms that are scattered throughout the universe, at one and the same time. Such is the primeval Lord whom I adore (Brahma Samhita 5.35)

Transcriber: Bhaktin Preetha

Editor: Rupachandra Das

Date: 16^th August 2007

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(Here is a Conversations of Srila Prabhupada and Srila Sripada Maharaj (DR. TD Singh, Ph.D and others devotees which take place in Los Angeles. transcribe by Singapore Devotees)

Devotee: Like night is only night in relationship to day , big is only big in relationship to small.

SP: So they accept there is small and there is big?

Devotee: Relativity.

SP: Yes. Everything is relative.

BSDS:  Yes. It’s related by time and space. To call five seconds or ten seconds, it’s related, because nothing is absolute.

SP: Why they do not understand relativity of brain?

BSDS: Yes, they are also to understand that, but they haven’t proposed yet.

SP: Eh?

BSDS: They haven’t proposed, so far.

Devotee: The formula is, what is it? “Energy equals…”

BSDS:  e= mc squared?

Devotee: Time times?

BSDS: Mass times the square of velocity of light.

Devotee: the what?

BSDS: Of the velocity of light.

SP: In psychology, there is study –  brain substance. Brain substance of all men are not equal. Is it known to the scientist? Brain substance.

BSDS:  Yeah. I think it’s known because when Einstein died, they tried to preserve the brain of Einstein, thinking that his brain was different from others.

SP: If it was not different, then how you can distinguish.

BSDS: The brain substance is different, that’s you have the-  intelligence different.

SP:  According to brain substance, there is difference of  intelligence.

Devotee:  They attribute to a lot more factors too like environment, development -

SP: Anyway. So, relative brain, This is like night (inaudible) duration of life of Brahma is different from the duration of life of the ant So, relatively there are so many different species of life. Relatively. Do the scientists agree or not?

Devotee: Yes.

SP: Eh? Then why there shouldn’t be a perfect brain, which is God.

Devotee: The atheists they say that…

SP: It is not a question of atheist, it is question of science.

Devotee: They say the scientific conclusion is that relativity extends for infinity.

SP: Yes, that infinity, the infinite brain is God.

Devotee:  They say there is no need for a one infinite.

SP: No, there is need because you are operator in the laboratory. Hydrogen, oxygen, you can make one glass of water. So why not the biggest brain make the pacific ocean.  How can we deny it? If we accept the law of relativity, then just like a ant. It can bore holes , small in the drain. You can make a tunnel. Similarly one can make biggest tunnel.

Devotee: They say that you are just material energy and water is material energy.-

SP: Everyone is material energy.  It is working relatively  in accordance to relative brain and body. So ultimately, infinite brain is (inaudible).

BSDS: That infinite brain is absolute.

SP: Yes. He is not dependent on anyone.

Devotee: They say, they say that, small relativity, it’s like, we’re relative to our capacity, so everything is relative.

SP: Yes.

Devotee: God also has to be relative.

SP: Yes. God is relative, you are small, He is big. That’s all

BSDS: Yes.

SP: We are teeny and He’s infinite.

Devotee: So on that basis also we can say that you are God over the ant.

SP: Yes. That we have explained every time that we are not supreme but in comparison to the ant I am God. Similarly the ant is also God in comparison to the microbe.

Devotee: They say that relativity extends there is no supreme supreme.

SP: eh?

Devotee:  Just relative supreme.

SP: Relative supreme indeed. Just like you are God to the ant, similarly He is supreme God to everyone.

Devotee: That they won’t agree.

SP: Why they shall not agree? Eh, why they shall not agree.

BSDS: Because they do not have complete information.

SP:  There is no question of information, it is a question of knowledge and philosophy. As I see it, relative, this is small, this is big, this is bigger than this, this is bigger than this, bigger than this, bigger than this. Then, you find that no more bigger. Then that is God.

Devotee: They say that relative scale, that small and bigger that goes on forever. It never stops.

SP: Yes, that’s alright, that’s alright. But you have to accept somebody bigger that you.

BSDS: So, in the –in the material time scale, there is no absolute.

SP: That is explained in the Vedas, nitya nityanam. God means that means that He is also eternal, we are also eternal, everything is eternal. As they say, everything is existing, but the operation is different. Operation is relative. God means His operational activity is much more higher, important than yours. [Pause] You have a small body like this. If you are asked to pick up something from the midst of the ocean, you cannot do that. But if one can assume a very big body, in the midst of the ocean, the water is like this, up to this. How can you deny it?

Devotee: Well they don’t deny that. They simply deny the existence of an absolute supreme.

SP: There is no question of absolute. You have to accept bigger than you. [Pause] Just like this small bird, it is walking in the water with beach. The water may be up to this. Somebody may come (inaudile).

BSDS: Making a lot of noise.

Devotee: Well they wouldn’t deny that.

SP:  If you accept that, then it is alright, that is God.  He is greater than you, that’s all. Same example.  Hydrogen, oxygen. Hydrogen, oxygen is there. You make. You can make a glass of water in the laboratory. The hydrogen, oxygen is there, but you cannot mix, big quantity of hydrogen, oxygen and make a sea. But one who can do that is bigger than us.

Devotee: Because as relativity extends on, that discounts the importance of any one person.

SP: Yes, that’s important. You cannot make the sea. You can make a glass of water. Therefore one who has made the sea is much more important than yourself.  How can you deny it.

Devotee: They say that one’s made water is more important than one who has made the sea.

SP: Eh? That’s alright. As long as you accept that there is somebody bigger than you who can make the sea. That means somebody bigger than you, that’s alright. But you accept that you are small, he is big. [Pause] That we have explained in the Brahma Samhita, that the Maha Vishnu, from his breathing, millions of universes are coming. And again  - yasyaika-nisvasita-kalam athavalambya jivanti loma-vilaja jagad-anda-nathah visnur mahan sa iha yasya kala-viseso. This Mahavishnu is only a portion –  plenary expansion of Krishna. Maha Vishnu is also nothing. That we accept, relatively, more, more, more, more.

Devotee: Their point of argument is that they don’t accept that there is a transcendental energy that exists.

SP: Never mind that. But you have to accept that you are not even an insignificant ant before Him. That you accept. Then our proposition is finished.

Devotee: But they…

SP: You are nothing but an insignificant ant in comparison to His power.

Devotee: But they think, it’s like, the ant may have insignificant power, but the ant is not increasing its power, but human beings are increasing their power.

SP: Could be, but for the time being, you  are nothing but an insignificant creature.Just like anyone is trying to become a very big businessman. Not that before becoming a Rockefeller, he can claim that I am Rockefeller. That is nonsense. You become Rockefeller, then you say.

Devotee: Just the possibility of becoming one intoxicates them.

SP: The possibility is not fact. Everyone has got the possibility of becoming a Rockefeller. But that does not mean everyone is Rockefeller. That is another (?foolishness).

Devotee: But the possibility props them up, intoxicates them.

SP: Eh?

Devotee: The possibility intoxicates them.

SP: Then you can think that all the banks belong to me. That is another intoxication. If you want to be happy, then all the banks of Los Angeles, they belong to me.  I am the proprietor. The intoxication gives you some relief, then enjoy that, but actually you’re a madman, if you think like that.

Devotee: Some human beings have done that.

SP: Uh?

Devotee: Some human beings have done that.

SP: But you are not, first of all you accept. Some may have done, some may be done but you are not. First of all you accept that. (Inaudible).

BSDS: The-the problem of relativity is alright. So for example, I can make five bowls and one bowl would be smaller than others. So like that, I can make five different kinds of bowls, but these are related to the others but I am making these bowls you know. So there has to be a person who can make these related things.

SP: Yes.

BSDS: Otherwise there is no question of relativity, if there’s someone who is operating these relative things.

Devotee: They say that relative energy creates relative manifestations. The energy which is making the bowls is still relative.

BSDS: Yes, but there has to be a person who is engaged in making these related things, otherwise, there will be no relativity.

Devotee: That’s still relative energy.

SP: Whatever it may be. Somebody is operating this relative law. [Pause] We explain many times that everyone has got  [inaudible] relative.

BSDS: Yes.

Devotee: In modern-modern physics, [inaudible] personality, intelligence, everything is simply different combinations of material energy.

SP: That’s alright. That is relative.

Devotee: There is no necessary of question of a person being [inaudible] everything is simply atoms.

SP: Because you are person, therefore everything must be person. You are studying as a person. You are not a dead body.

Devotee: That person , that personality is also just atoms in different orbits.

SP:  That’s alright, we agree-we agree. Therefore we say see God, karuna.

BSDS: We are like atomic particles.

SP: We accept that. Everything person.

Devotee: Everything is atom and atoms are not persons.

SP: Why not? We say that within the atom, there is God.

Devotee: That they can’t see.

SP: Eh?

Devotee: That they can’t see.

SP: They cannot see so many things, rascals. What to speak of God (laughter). We cannot see what is there within the ocean. That does not mean, there is no living entity.   Your seeing power is defective. [Pause]  A small microbes [inaudible]  Within that micro-body, it is all physiological machine, but we cannot see.

Devotee: [inaudible]

SP: eh?

Devotee:  If a crazy man comes up and says…

SP: Practical means you have to accept, that you are a small insignificant and that is very very big. That is practical. How can you deny it? As you can create a glass of water by mixing hydrogen and oxygen, so another person who can create the sea by mixing hydrogen, oxygen, he must be greater than you, you have to accept.

Devotee:  [inaudible] its all the same energy anyway.

SP: That’s alright but you cannot operate it. Energy is there, material is there. [Pause] If you accept the law of relativity you have to accept God. What you think?

BSDS: There’s no question about it. [Pause] In other words, God is infinite and we are finite particles of small living ….

SP: Yes.

BSDS: ..fragments.

SP: Anor aniyan mahato mahiyan. Smaller than the smallest, bigger than the biggest.  [Pause] (inaudible verse). You are creating one glass of water by mixing hydrogen, oxygen. God is creating millions of billions of pacific ocean simultaneously. Just like seasonal changes, as soon as  the season changes, millions of trees immediately grows leaves. Immediately. When there is a change of season immediately millions of leaves (inaudible). This is God’s energy. The energy is working in the same way. You can also create one leaf. If you take the procedure, you can make artificially one leaf but that is also not perfect. But God has created millions of trees, and millions and trillions of leaves within a second. That you can see.

Devotee: They won’t credit that to a person.

SP: eh?

Devotee:  They won’t give any credit.

SP: But that is their foolishness. (laughter)  Therefore they are rascal. You kick him with shoe. (Inaudible) No, I’m alright. (laughter)

Devotee: They say, just like you build a big fire may, that produces 100 degrees, a small fire produces five degrees, its still fire.

SP: That’s alright. You are also living entity, he is also living entity, there is no change.  You also fire, he is also fire. But you are spark, he is big fire. That is difference.  A spark is also fire. Who denies it?

Devotee: They say it is all one.

SP: All one in quality, not in quantity. That is our philosophy.

Devotee: They say the whole material energy as being….

SP: That’s alright. Difference of quantity is there, that is relativity..And I’m trying to – You can make a glass of water. That quantity and if I can make a pacific ocean,  that quantity is not one, but the water is one, that’s all. And the process of manufacturing is also one. But the quantity is different.

Devotee: Because if the material energy is the same, then there is no need for a God.

SP:  No, there is need of God. You cannot make the Pacific Ocean. That God is needed.

BSDS: We simply say that God’s power is inconceivable.

SP: Yes. Inconceivable to you, but not inconceivable to Him

BSDS: Yes

SP: He knows His business.

BSDS: Because our brain is so teeny, compared with His, so we cannot conceive his power.

SP: Yes, Inconceivable.

[Pause]

SP:  Just like the contents of the sun, there is no [inaudible], so that at night, there is no need of .

BSDS: Electricity?

SP: Electricity light.

Devotee:  Assuming who has created the sun has created us

SP: That is one after another. If by creation of something, by that energy, another thing is created, another thing is created. That is the law of creation.

Devotee: They won’t see anyone behind that.

SP: What power of seeing. That is their foolishness. What they can see. How far they can see?  So called seeing disease is childish. What you can see?

Devotee: Dr. Frog’s philosophy.

SP: Yes, Dr. Frog’s .

BSDS: They say that, so called, discoveries by scientists are nothing but imitation just as

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BSDS: Yes at the same time, for example discoveries like aeroplane. They discovered because they imitated the flying of birds. They saw how the birds are flying so they imitated two wings, like shape of a bird. This is not their creation. This is just imitation from nature. Similarly, all discoveries are just imitations.

SP: Still they cannot imitate. Just like a small bird  also flying. So what machinery is there? If they can invent that machinery, (inaudible) question is over. But he cannot see that. The bird is also flying, the aeroplane is also flying but you are flying the aeroplane on the strength of petroleum but in the bird there is no petroleum. The bird is creating its own energy from within. Machine is so made that it is flying without petroleum. Why don’t you do that?

BSDS: Because the living force. In a bird there is living force.

Devotee: They think they can.

SP: They have not done it. Again that same thing..

Devotee: In the future.

SP: In future. That is nonsense. (Laughter). When you do it, then you say.

BSDS: Say for example, computer. Computer is just like human brain. I mean its different to a degree but it works like a human brain. But of course there is a operator in the –

SP: The human brain is there. It is pushing the body. Without human brain you cannot work. The human brain is there. It is not human brain. The machine itself is not human brain. The human brain outside the machine works.

Devotee:  They are saying they will make a human brain.

SP: That’s alright, see again the future (laughter). This foolishness is there. But we don’t accept such foolishness – the future. Everyone can say in future I shall become like this.

BSDS: That is why in one branch of science, so called trying to solve in future, say for example, they already trying to tell what is going to happen in two thousand years. So they say in two thousand years for example what type of dinner is going to have today so –

SP: But he cannot say what is going to happen to him in two thousand years.

BSDS: He cannot say even I mean, tomorrow what is going to happen

Devotee: He will be existing as much as he is existing now because the energy will all be conserved.

SP: The energy is always existing. You don’t require to think of what will happen. The energy is existing. Why you bother yourself? Let the energy do its own (inaudible). Actually it is being done. Just like Mr. Johnson, he was president and he was always busy, what will happen, what will happen. Now the election is over and still the government is going on without him. The government is going on without him. But when he was in the government he was thinking, oh what will happen.

Devotee: I’d say the government is going on because he was conscientious like that when he was the president.

SP: Yes but without him, the government can go on. Why does he not think like that?

Devotee: (inaudible) we have to think like that. Just like if I thought I don’t have to do anything because it will go on anyway

SP:  No, if you accept that energies are already there then why should you bother. The energy is (inaudible).

Devotee: But I am also that energy. If I am acting –

SP: But when you are not acting the energy is going on. So your action or no action, it doesn’t matter.

Devotee: (Inaudible) we should say it doesn’t matter whether I chant Hare Krishna or not because the energy is the same.

SP: Yes, that right. But you do not belong to that. We belong to what you call discriminating human being. You want to create something for advancement, we are living entity, we want advancement. And advancement means I have to do that. If I want to go, advance, then I have to walk. Your walking will not do, my walking is required if I want to advance.

BSDS: So planning for something is necessary. Without planning thinking that the energy is everywhere we cannot just -

SP: Planning is necessary. That planning should be within the big planning. You cannot plan anything whimsically.

BSDS: Mmhmm.

(Pause).

SP: So prove existence of God by this law of relativity.

(Pause).

BSDS: Actually everything is working under the laws of nature. Nothing remains stopped. Everything works.

SP: (inaudible verse). That is the instruction in the Bhagavad Gita. When Arjuna was declining to fight , Krishna ultimately says don’t think that all these men who are gathered here will go on. It is already planned they should die. You fight or not fight, they will die. That plan is already there. (inaudible verse) We have to endeavour for Krishna consciousness and nothing else. Everything is there. That is the point. Because you are living entity, you’ve got little independence. By misuse of independence you become out of Krishna’s association. So we have to try for that to again go back to the association. Nothing else. Other things will go on. You don’t require to become a scientist or physicist or this or that. You don’t require. Simply required to chant Hare Krishna, that’s all. That is your only requirement. (inaudible) scientist . We are trying to please Krishna that’s all. But things are going on. (pause) Sarva dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja , you simply surrender , that is your duty. No other duty. (verse).

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Transcriber: Bhaktin Preetha

Editor: Rupachandra Das

Date: 10/05/2008

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